The property owner of the current QC will deed land to the town in order to accommodate this. Seems to be up to the whims of the current government versus some established process and established set of covenants as Heidi was detailing for Boston. Nope. That's correct, I forgot the meeting for the 16th was the one moved to 7:00 PM. As to the current condition, landowner letting them fall down, etc. "if more people just turned before the light on mountain ave they could easily avoid the traffic that's currently over there." Roll Call Because l was always told that was "Leo" of Leo's Lunch and his wife was the one who worked at Leo's Lunch up until the transition of store ownership maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Besides the problems at David's Country Inn, that were discussed earlier in the thread, I hate the backup at the light on Rt 57 by the old Golden Skillet. There is no possible way short of widening that whole road and demolishing every house up the hill that you can "clean up" this proposed debacle to come. To me, the near term effect is more important: The Wawa is going by Appleby in the back lot. As for the proprietor that owns the property on which these 5 houses are located, well I'm sorry, but they already own half of Hackettstown. Quick Check and the zoning board have absolutely done their due diligence with traffic patterns,architecture, landscaping, etc. Noise - The noise of not only customers, but also gas deliveries that often occur at odd times during the day or evening. Sorry if that was confusing. Sign that petition, put a cork in it. It would be nice to have an all-night option in town. According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.”; Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. Case #Z16-05, Quick Chek Corp. continuation FYI, it was brought up last night at the Planning board meeting that they will not be reviewing the quick check application. Not to mention, the traffic coming in and out of Bells La is crazy as it is. It would be nice to have a late night gas option in town. Are not the homes that are already there ratables? They needed new shutters and it was a nightmare. Everything in between is the historic district. Somehow the historic home commercial building West of CVS is not included....ooops. In my opinion the public picked the wrong battle to fight. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2014/11/tale_of_2_gas_stations_on_fult.html from the Municipal Building to the Trinity House, 212 E. Moore Street, Yes, the eclipse must have caused some type of cosmic shift, lol! Construction should begin in the First Quarter of 2021 with hopes of being completed in October 2021. Perhaps, that's why this hasn't been up for a meeting in October. I can't think of a worst place to put it 8. BUT those 15 homes could be replaced by about 40 attractive row houses (not apt. After reading of their "tactics" I will never step foot in this Quik Chek if it is approved and built AND am seriously considering boycotting the complete chain. I would say not, when a meeting is carried they usually do not even show up. Like with Bergen tool, the residents there bought houses next to a light manufacturing zoned property....since then the town allowed the developer to change the zoning to mixed use....and anything would be allowed to come....that is not what those residents signed up for. Uh you're worried about a hurricane causing gas traffic? How do you not get that? Isn't the first order of business whether to be zoned residential or commercial? As an aside, does anyone know if there are actual plans to try and build a rt46-rt57 bypass? I don't know who the current owner is but there should be fines and lawsuits imposed to get whomever it is to do something to fix it up, no? Thank you trekster. I have not had an issue since with my truck. That's exactly right @trekster. However I gather it is not updated on a regular basis. The additions were made and that should be the current area, unless it has been readjusted during the interim. It is a shame, auntiel. Cry me a Musconetcong. Where can one see what vacancies need to be filled on town committees/boards? The mayor? Just note the time change on the next meeting.....starts at 7pm. 2) In the experts testimony he stated that in the current setting, the homes in question are adjacent to commercial and vacant properties which contributed to their diminished historic value. In my humble opinion. Ah, the old bifurcated application. The bergen tool project postponed so many times that (IMO) many people lost interest and stopped showing up. The vehicle's wheels should be turned outward. Create an airstrip and open up a 24/7 Mega Quick Chek that sells aviation fuel. It doesn't work that way. be held on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 7:00PM (for this meeting only). As an Independent I've been voting against incumbents for 20 years but I seem to be in the minority. I guess they're asking for use variances and not re-zoning? It makes nothing safer and improves no one's quality of life. One of the asks is a variance from residential to commercial on Washington St (where they'll be tearing down 2 existing homes). If not, I hope that there are a lot of residents that show up to voice their concerns. It is also the "buffer" between Mountain Ave commercial and our finest historic district. so true Bonv, if WAWA goes in they will be cutting through Kenwood " Shelley Drive, Lawrence it would be no different if they moved the QC, we gave enough gas stations and convince stores. Jim L., I understood things a little differently? Darrin I suggest you read the minutes of parking authority meetings to see how much "power" they really wield. JL --- that's our point. would love to help out if i can in the opposition of this. ADJUSTMENT So I would say all H-town citizens should be concerned and should question whether the convenience of another fuel n food joint is worth the collateral damage. The board did ask for certain elevations of the proposed barrier on the Washington street side. ** URGENT ** Tomorrow night folks.... sure I completely agree with all of that - Hobby Lobby did the same thing - but I also agree they have no obligation to relocate displaced families if they are operating within the law - would be nice sure, not required. If he is not, then you could come to the determination that he is not truly civic minded, just out to increase his potential income. For residential, I sort of doubt you will see new single family there, so maybe some sort of cluster. Remember, for any of this to happen, first they have to get the zoning changed to fit their needs. "...and will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan and the zoning provisions of this Ordinance." 4. Not sure about the existing building - lots of rumors but they are all over the place. Was their application deemed complete and if so, what is the procedure from here going forward? Seems to be a bit ad hoc to me. The regularly scheduled meeting of the Hackettstown Zoning Board of Adjustment will Mountain Avenue between Rt 57 and Rt 46 ( the crazy intersection) is also State Highway 182 (maintained by NJDOT). "Water to Liberty Street" is on the opposite side of the road. Ultimately no one showed up to the meeting & they wore down those that did with meetings stretching over a year. Vermin - The larger store and garbage receptacles are magnets for vermin of all kinds If anyone is interested in signs for the lawns please let me know. Then the fate of the 2 homes on Washington will be decided by the zoning variance. NOTE CHANGE OF TIME What else are they willing to put up before you destroy that residential neighborhood to make it better for all Hackettstown? I was not aware other than a recommendation I gather, they can not make a ruling either way regarding demolition of a structure. Do we pay more for gas in H-town because we demand more than we can produce? The other potential issue is that we are jeopardizing the small-business franchise owners of the other gas stations to a big corporation. AGENDA The next person to speak was the project manager. Too busy an area for it. BrotherDog - Now that's funny. I feel for you Darrin...There will be gas tankers and deliveries by tractor trailers. There is no doubt that some sort of commercial entity will likely occupy that location, but it can certainly be a gentler transition and be a business that fills a genuine need in Hackettstown. Has the town engineer voiced an opinion on the traffic ? "So we have to make a decision if our presence is more important at the school meeting or the Zoning Board Meeting?" "A gas station doesn't bring more traffic to an area." The project will be approved. trekster, coulden't agree more with your points 1 & 2 , point three is a dead horse though, the town cannot say "no" just because we "feel" we do not need that there. I would like to go, but need a reminder in my face. Unfortunately the owner of the land the Paftinos' family, wants the maximum return on their investment. The school doesn't need to approve this. Adjournment QC began it's presentation. Masked-up team members. I just hope that before the planning board bends over that they at least get something that will make them smile. Thanks Greg. wow! Is there a process to determine historic value? Princeton, New Jersey 08540 United States Phone: +1 609 258 4900 Directions Europe. Actually relieve the traffic from Mountain Ave this way. Does the town have any say in this? That could be a better indicator of growth (higher ratables) over a simple shifting of existing business. No that is actually a very good point, Darrin. Hot under the collar - Impossible...Two landmarks, David's Country Inn and The Sub Shack. If those houses are in the 'Hackettstown Historic District" why were they not kept up? They are welcome to come as a neighbor and give their opinion but they have no power of approving/disapproving this project. They are following the proper procedures for this applicant like they do for every other applicant. with QC providing very capable experts in all areas. Who cares whether it's at the edge or in the center: encroach is encroach. I understood that even if the homes themselves weren't completely historical, they could still be valuable to the historic district because destroying them would impact the "setting" of the more historic homes which are nearby? 9. There's your history of possible success. I, for one, have been known to go out of my why for a QC - with a kid in travel sports, I know where many of them are and they are a preferred destination for me (sorry Wawa), it's a great store. When I started my CVS venture, everyone on this site told me not to bother, don;t even go to the meeting, it was a done deal.....well 3 years later with a meeting every month CVS was final built....but with a metric S*** TON of changes due to what I as well as other residents brought to light at that "what they thought" was the final meeting The current state of disrepair the homes may or not be currently in have no basis and were not even brought up as contributing factors on why the homes are no longer historical That being said if you are running for town council and QC seems to be your major issue one would assume you would know the facts Of course immediate neighbors will be affected. If you don't show up then, I really don't want to hear any complaints. Already has parking, etc. QC doesn't own the property yet, so it's still for sale. I personally was travelling and am furious that the meeting was cancelled last month when there was no snow on the ground. User-Friendly: The official website njmcdirect.com is a well designed portal … Oh I understand that now Jim, that's for sure - it was just surprising to me. The property owner (and any potential business) could go see Jim at the BID and get the 'gap analysis' of retail/services/dining that we are short of. Remember, infrastructure is king ---- Make Hackettstown Great Again. Pleeeeeeze. Would you want to raise your children by a gas station add more traffic horrors and have your home depreciated? ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT If you would like to comment directly to one person, you may click on the envelope next to the posters name if they provided their email. Section 700 deals with the Zoning Board and This is the issue QC is dealing with their Use Variance request. The old strip mall is further down on the other side of Applebee's. It’s embarrassing that 2 ppl running for town council would not know that and if they are going around telling local residents that the site plan has not been approved yet and they will fight to stop it than that is misleading and pathetic. So locals would prefer to preserve 5 old unkept houses than to bring in further business and tax revenue, as well as jobs? I'm going to need you to dig up your garden and yard because I think a basketball court would benefit the neighborhood more than your vegetables. Whoops, my mistake. One of the residents told me that the plan has been revised to see if it will go through with the revisions. Hackettstown Historic district runs Main Street to Jefferson St and Water to Liberty Streets. I doubt that they will be able to meet that burden unless the Board is overly agreeable to it and really wants it to happen, which I can't imagine is the case. Elections have consequences - some we are happy with, some we aren't. But don't change the zoning. And it's not nimby per se, even down 1 block say where the Al's Dry cleaners is would be a great spot or even where the Salvation Army store would be better. NO WAIVERS.....and you'll be fine. I doubt you could fit a single basketball court in that building, lol. Be as specific as possible and try to refrain from ranting - this will annoy the board and possibly negate any valid questions/points you may be making. You can find general more information here As I agree with trekster3 that we don't need (and it would be detrimental to the neighborhood) a large Quick Check/gas station there the line in the letter that none of the gas stations are adjacent to homes is false. Bonv, the proposed location is directly across the street from the current location. Rt. Thanks for keeping us updated. Best luck all. The Parking Authority does not. Wouldn't it at least need to be on records as received by the office even if it is not actually 'official' correspondence. That could be a better indicator of growth (higher ratables) over a simple shifting of existing business. Monday-Friday: 3:00 PM – 5:00 PM Saturday: Closed Sunday: Closed Ratables will be QC's argument but the counter will be the sustainability of 5 gas stations in less than 2 miles. Paul Bardyszewski(Class B)……………………………….. 2017 What is your back ground? If the approval has not been granted yet, then why is QuickChek employees saying it is a done deal? We all know what one 18-wheeler traveling down the single lane of Main St while contending with traffic lights and cars trying to park at the meters, etc. I am suggesting the new owner of quick chek controls most of the walmart gas stations...they like their new stores near walmarts. Did they talk about the project, Good Luck? Someone that attends the meeting told you that inside QC Corp they are saying it’s already approved and they own the land??? Block 122, Lots 8-12 & 10.01 Now, if he can't get it built he'll take a bath trying to unload them so he is pulling out all the stops. OFFICE HOURS. Darrin - the zoning is the crux of the issue for Washington St. We need as many residents as possible to show up at the May meeting. This is a benefit for QC & the owner of the property. I must say thus far the public is able to speak after each expert's testimony is complete. As far as I know QC has not backed away. That was actually one of the most insightful and well-written pieces I've ever seen on "Patch". Smith spoke to several conservative media outlets and published a … If it does not prevent the tear down does it support it? Listen, the man and his family are one of if not the largest tax payers in the town. So that is the first hurdle, if the board votes they are not historical then QC can proceed to try and get a use variance for asking to put a commercial property in a residential (Washington st homes only) area. I did not mean to call you out as such, you are always very good at explaining procedures and are very good at interpretation to what happens at these meetings. I think Tim was referring to the Route 46 & Mountain Ave intersection (David's Country Inn). 2. So Mountain ave was decided to be a commercial zone. If you are interested in filling any position please contact the mayor, meet with her and she will Keep you on a list for when a position opens up or when one is set to expire. And to the form of the town having say, it's all about safety and feasibility...the residents need to present that. It will be a nightmare for Washington St as even more people try to avoid Mt. Or is the notion of a good conspiracy just good enough? Jim, I appreciate your explanation and I do not feel as if you were trying to persuade one way or the other. Were any of those buildings cited for hazards, since I believe that owner was the slumlord landlord (from what I read) who got in trouble with the law? There is a ton of information to digest to say the least. Excavation trucks are rolling into the proposed WaWa lot. Probably the last meeting regarding QC. Unfortunately for all of the traffic study's the experts provide, the real-life implications will be felt by the local community. Hired talent is the easy route. Moore Street, Hackettstown, New Jersey 07840. It’s a great location fir them; for us —- I’m granding to washington to avoid the whole thing. Hey DannyC, Do petitions really work in these circumstances? Is there not a protocol they have to follow? I believe the ok has been given to tear them down provided a replacement plan gets approved. Joseph Clarke (Classs C)………………………………….. 2017 They're knocking down 5 homes? Reminder: "Time has already told" the excess traffic that clogs Main St./517/Mountain Ave. from years of sprawl, so I don't think anyone needs a psychic to predict more jamming up from the bigger Quik Chek with fuel station at that location. Feel free. Yes, excellent article. Thanks GC- I was having a brain freeze for a moment. I guess we will find out more at the January planning board meeting but I would not consider it a done deal by any stretch at this moment in time. People are losing their homes so QC can sell more stuff in an area where they already have 3 locations. What EXACTLY are the regulations (if any) surrounding historical homes/homes in the historical district? Once that occurs then the case can be heard. I am opposed to tearing down residential homes on Washington & Mountain Ave to build yet another gas station when there are two up the street and another down the hill. As a long-time resident of Hackettstown, I respectfully ask you to reject the proposed Quick Check at the Washington St / Bells Lane / Mountain Avenue Location. I counted 80 people in a 65 person rated room, and there were many more in the hallway since there was not enough room. Jobs! Bells Lane and Water St are already out of kilter as to how they line up with Mountain Ave. Traffic is already acerbated due to the light at 5 corners. HACKETTSTOWN ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT yea it's annoying that there are 2 important meetings tonight. Its a pretty easy committee and we run pretty smoothly. Meeting Reminder: You are so hell bent against this project you want to believe shady stuff is happening instead of letting the process play out and see what actually happens. Also included on the agenda will be Case #s 17-06, Kenneth Stearns (Block 99, Lot 4), and 17-07, Renee Feldman (Block 94, Lot 6). Well I would like to know what happened to it because it sure as hell did not reach my account. In my experience, not only is it not over BUT there are no rules.....just guidelines. Yes he CURRENTLY only has one project sitting in front of a board, but he has multiple projects in town I believe correct? The Board members referenced remorse about the building that was demolished from the monument lot. Makes me think back to Dirty Harry: "well, does it punk?" After each expert is done with their testimony, they will open it up to the public to ASK QUESTIONS to the expert. but let's be real. It would just replace all the traffic from people going to the current Quik Check over there. Dansker - I hope you're feeling better & good luck next week. Dadof3 you are mistaken on your facts. They want to knock down 3 houses on mountain Ave and 2 on Washington I believe We don't need yet another gas station. Just based on the current existing laws, and the state of our historic ordinance, the board had no choice and they made the correct decision. Is this just hopeful boasting or is there more that nobody knows about? That's even better. 2) Anywhere within a mile or two of town center would bring jobs, that location is not necessary to meet that criteria. If I get a delivery to Long Valley but need to refill, my only option presently is to drive all the way to the Quick Chek on 517 and then double back. My guess is it completely removes a buffer with the next property on the commercial bubble to be truly historic. Thank you Jim L. What can the residents do to voice their opinions? The town is not knocking down 5 homes. Yet, for the most part, what does being one member, on this specific committee, provide any leverage value or any other value whatsoever for the grand behind-the-scenes conspiracy.... What back can be scratched from this committee? Unless I’m on empty. When converted, there's a chance someone will attempt to do the same for the next row of houses in the historic district. He has been active in many town activities throughout his career and has given greatly of his time without expecting anything in return. We have seen gas stations backup far onto the road after Sandy, what will happen if there is a backup onto mountain avenue? If it matters, I would have attended the BOE meeting as that will directly affect my family. 1. Peter Paftinos being on the committee will NOT have anything to do with this building going up. 4) Our current historic ordinance does dictate that any new structures with new materials comply with the current historic setting (ie. Are these in the historical district "contributing" to the historical district or not. we had 2 openings on the parking authority out of 5 total positions. Tim said he is happy about Quick Chek and Wawa coming to town and the town should focus on the intersection nearby. "And let’s be honest here I have personally reached out to a few HL’ers that seem to have a lot of passion on HL about what’s going on in town to see if they would be interested in filling some open Committee positions. 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Leaving Sunday afternoon for a week of testing at Penn Transplant Institute, For anyone Interested in signing the petition Sunday at 1 in the parking lot at hot beagles of broad on mountain ave let me know. If the are deemed not to be contributing but then they decide to not allow the rezoning, the the homes on Washington will remain residential and the homes on mountain can come down and something commercial can go there. Simply by having a driver license in NJ, you have consented to take a blood test to determine your BAC when stopped by a police officer. It appeared that behind the doors deals had already been made and that the zoning variance will be approved. An issue that came up is his study and analysis was based on DOT guidelines that have just been updated. Check the posts above - all the Wawa questions were previously answered. Again laws are a minimum set of rules, each business can go beyond that if they choose to. I agree that the school board should have planned appropriately. Does anyone think they would be in favor of one now? I feel we need to fill all the empty building in town before we start building new ones. CVS has always used tractor trailers for their deliveries and the drivers are not very skilled. correct bug3.. every 10years, and the planning board is currently reviewing the Master Plan as we speak for this year. As I recall I did a write in for the mayor's election last year as she ran unopposed. He is a great Chair! H-town has only so much residential; residential space will not grow, except vertically, and that's another story (that's a good one, right?). I really DO NOT know who is actually adding the money to our accounts but I looked at my payment activity and it stated that I was paid $300 on 9/25/2020. 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